Thursday, 19 May 2011

Re: Could too many nootrpics targeting same area actually have reverse effect?

Thanks Bofu, interesting and informative!

personally I keep stimulants for certain occasions. I think it's possible that most cognitive boosters rely on boosting alertness (cathecolamines, etc.). and boosting alertness is not the healthiest thing on the long term--and it also hinders one important aspect of intelligence: learning (and sleeping, also). it's my really approximate rule of thumb for now.

I try to rely on other techniques to perform, like mnemonics and willful concentration during short time windows. time management, organization and concentrating on what matters can do just as much as being on stims. but it's true stims/brain boosters can do wonders in some cases, like tests, and being fast and on task.

I heard ginkgo can deplete glutathione on the long term. I think all these should be used sparingly in wait for more info. interesting topic.

btw I saw the NZT movie last weekend I usually dont like action movies because they startle me and I have a low tolerance to stress, but it was fun to watch. I do think the underlying idea/inspiration behind that movie is taking ritalin/stims/brain boosters, and the general feeling that it's not good for you on the long term. probably the guy who wrote that movie reads this forum. say hi if you want!

semi-unrealted: I had a concussion recently and it was afterall an interesting experience event though I was freaked out my working memoery would stay low. it didn't, but it was interesting to feel the difference. every little task was painful, I had to use my mental resources sparingly and willfully concentrate on what mattered for me, what I had to get done during the day. everyone experiences this in the morning when you didn't sleep nearly enough. when you are on stims cleaning and organizing is fast and any task is easy, not a burden. it's crazy to see the difference.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 4:26 PM, bofu <jamiespartz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bacopa, Ashwagandha, and Rhodiola are all anti-anxiety supplements and
if you aren't anxious by nature they won't benefit you during the day,
but can make for more refreshing sleep if taken at night.  Choline is
probably the one supplement there that is giving you the boost.  DMAE
is not needed when taking the choline.  Don't take either of those at
night - they disrupt sleep patterns.  Lion's Mane gives brain fog to
most people during the day so it's usually used at night, and it will
take about 6 weeks to see results from that.  I don't know about
Curcumin.

If you have too much choline, you'll feel tense in the shoulders and
neck and have a dull headache.  None of them should interfere with
each other.  It's odd to see you using choline without anything that
uses choline up, like piracetam or huperzine.

One other thing is that most feel refreshed from Rhodiola in the first
few months and either doesn't work or turns into a sleepy feeling
after that.

You should never jump onto a regimen not knowing how each one affects
you separately.  Just because it works for some, or even most people,
doesn't mean you'll react to any of them the same way.

On May 14, 1:59 pm, Ian <unfunfowns...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm taking Bacopa, Phosphatidyl Choline, Ashwaghanda (inconsistent
> with my dosing), Rhodiola, DMAE, Curcumin, and Lion's Mane. I do dual
> n-back training, and hover around 50% Dual-8-back. I've noticed that
> when I began the regimen within a week my dual n-back score had jumped
> 2 back (from 6-back to 8-back), but now I am noticing that it is
> actually falling very slightly. Around a week ago I was averaging
> 55-60% d8b. Now, as I have mentioned, it is around 50%. It seems to be
> fairly consistent, though if I don't really concentrate I'll dip into
> the 40s.
>
> Could taking these herbs be causing too much acetylcholine to be
> produced? Or am I just worrying too much and simply having a bad week,
> which is certainly possible.
>
> I researched these herbs and do not think they should interfere with
> each other, but if I am missing something, someone please let me
> know...
>
> PS: I posted this on longecity, too, which is probably a more
> appropriate place for such a question. Sadly, they have not once
> responded to me, so I figure I may have more luck here.

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