Tuesday, 31 May 2011

Re: Triple Nback benefits

Yours is clearly less than 180.

On May 31, 9:21 pm, "D. K. Ohms" <311442185795...@gmail.com> wrote:
> we know that no one here
> has an IQ of 180 or so
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> Really? You claim perfect knowledge of everyone's IQ scores? How much
> novel BS are we supposed to swallow here?
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> Ohms
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> The.Fourth.Deviation. wrote:
> > If what you all are suggesting is true, it means that there is a WM/GF
> > max that humans can attain, and that people here must be near that
> > max, and therefore untrainable by DNB. But we know that no one here
> > has an IQ of 180 or so, so therefore why should we think that no one
> > can improve? In addition, what exactly is this IQ point that people
> > are suggesting prevents one from experiencing benefits? I think that
> > this argument is very tenuous...
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> > On May 31, 1:48 am, "The.Fourth.Deviation." <davidsky...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > That's not necessarily so. I don't remember seeing anything in Jaeggi
> > > suggesting that individuals who scored high initially did not
> > > significantly improve. The headline of a study supporting this must be
> > > "High IQ individuals have less to gain from brain training". But so
> > > far, most studies just show that it increases performance or increases
> > > efficiency of PFC. A person may lose 5 pounds of weight, but looking
> > > in the mirror feel as if they still look the same. How do we know
> > > these high aptitude individuals do not merely discount results? At
> > > this juncture there is no research I know of which suggests to that to
> > > be the case.
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> > > Plus there is some confounding of ideas here.  A person with higher
> > > testosterone will be initially stronger, and have more potential than
> > > someone with less testosterone. I know of no reason to think that
> > > intelligence does not work similarly, and as I mentioned, no research
> > > I know of suggests this either.
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> > > On May 31, 1:34 am, brain train <brain.train...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > completely agree with Milestones- people with  high potential (currently
> > > > hidden) who are being pulled down on IQ measure due WM issues are the ones
> > > > who are likely to benefit most from DNB.
> > > > i also think that these are the same people who must be looking around to
> > > > find a solution to their problems from different sources like- forums like
> > > > this forum, scientific magazines, research papers, brain-training tools,
> > > > books etc. Reason being that they have a hint that they are operating below
> > > > their potential.
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> > > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:06 AM, milestones <wgweathe...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On May 31, 9:21 am, "The.Fourth.Deviation." <davidsky...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > First, everything is hard until your brain adapts to it.
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> > > > > > Second, I personally conclude that .5 is a strong link between gf and
> > > > > > DNB, but it still leaves room for a lot of other factors, which is why
> > > > > > DNB only predicts part of gf. That is why people can achieve high N
> > > > > > levels, but still have a lower IQ. I believe that a person of IQ 100
> > > > > > can achieve levels 5+ through training because PIQ/GF is only one
> > > > > > aspect of DNB performance. And DNB can be learned, making it harder
> > > > > > for us to link performance with IQ. A newbie genius will most likely
> > > > > > be outperformed by a mediocre DNB devotee. I predict that a person of
> > > > > > IQ 100 could even achieve DNB 6 or 7, or higher, after sustained
> > > > > > training efforts.
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> > > > > One thing to note, though as I have many times in this group. There is
> > > > > a difference between a person with a average/normal IQ versus someone
> > > > > who may be functioning at average IQ but has greater potential and who
> > > > > may in fact have an IQ in excess (or far in excess) of what they are
> > > > > testing at. Their performance could be depressed by  learning
> > > > > disabilities, ADHD, depression, schizophrenia, manic depression, or a
> > > > > number of things which WM training -- along with other interventions
> > > > > --- may help in varying degrees. For someone without any impediments
> > > > > to their potential, interventions like DNB are most likely far less
> > > > > efficacious and IQ will likely move less (since day to day functioning
> > > > > and theoretical potential are already close together). This could be a
> > > > > person of average intelligence or a gifted individual. If I had to
> > > > > guess, this group seems to attract people with above average
> > > > > intelligence but who are not living up their potential for the
> > > > > aforementioned reasons. For me, prior to training, my WM was mediocre
> > > > > compared to my long term memory, which was quite good, so DNB has been
> > > > > an optimal intervention. My example shows that if someone has strong
> > > > > long term memory, and comparably lower WM, then DNB might help
> > > > > functioning a lot. But then, not everyone will experience this, and
> > > > > other interventions may be preferable to DNB depending on the issues
> > > > > the person is dealing with.
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Re: Theory on proper graduation of Nback training

The upper limit you mention is why I say that it is probably better to
move onto another N mode. But the experience of individuals who have
achieved high N is mysterious to me. I wonder if they have noted any
amazing benefits from reaching such high N, or if they are unsure and
simply train to train.

It could be the case that more amazing benefits are had from level 8
to level 9, for example. Or D10B, if anyone reaches that. Or the
benefits could decrease with each level, if they work like most other
forms of human adaptation. I am interested to hear what people at D7B
+ think about training at these levels.

On May 31, 7:52 pm, Arky <kenneth.bruskiew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The way that I see this squeaking by is related to this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two
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> If working memory capacity can get only to 7 +/- 2 or 4 +/- 2 then it
> would make sense to stop at n = 6 or 7, as you've reached this limit.
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> The thing is, we're not holding explicitly 7 items, despite that being
> the N level. Because we're working, usually, spatial and audio memory,
> it's more like 14 items. So I do not know.
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> On May 31, 2:06 am, "The.Fourth.Deviation." <davidsky...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > After doing some research here, I have come to the conclusion that
> > benefits from DNB must begin to rapidly taper off at  7N or 8N.
> > Therefore, I think these are the proper times to begin to add more
> > stimuli.
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> > Hence a person achieving 7 or 8 N can then go to TNB and seek to
> > achieve 7 or 8 there, and then to QNB, ETC. This is merely a way to
> > reduce confusion around these modes, while sensibly accounting for the
> > presumably decreasing benefits of each N level attained.
>
> > The modes of crab N back, multi stim, combination N back, and
> > arithmetic N back, remain enigmatic.

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Posted: 31 May 2011 09:28 PM PDT

well i got a new computer and i dont have the program anymore. its my brothers zune and we lost the program thingy (im guessing it was the cd that came in the box with the Zune) ive lost if for like eternity! but i wanna add music on my Zune or atleast take some of it off but idk how.

[ Movies ] Open Question : What was the name of this movie?

Posted: 31 May 2011 09:28 PM PDT

Okay, so it was most likely 2 years back, but there was a movie that came out and basically it had a bunch of little girls trying to be famous and they were all singers. Im sorry I have so little information on it! but I just really need to know! this movie didn't come out in most movie theaters. if it helps, I remember that in one trailer of the movie there was a little girl around 5 that was dressed as a diva and was saying something about making it in Hollywood.

[ Religion & Spirituality ] Open Question : My mom says I'm delusional because I believe in God?

Posted: 31 May 2011 09:28 PM PDT

Is that appropriate for her to say?

[ Higher Education (University +) ] Open Question : Sir, i got 2247 rank in ecet. I am BC-E candidate. I can got seat in srikakulam engg. colleges or GMR college?

Posted: 31 May 2011 09:28 PM PDT

Please tell i can get in best engineering college? THANKING YOU

[ Comics & Animation ] Open Question : are there any shows like bleach?

Posted: 31 May 2011 09:28 PM PDT