Re: Jaeggi 2010 in the news

All hypotheses are underdetermined by their respective data. It's
better to keep an open mind at all times (but not to where your brain
falls out).

For me, it's never a question of feeling or faith. For all we know, it
could be a mix of both and neither. Or none of them. Etc.

It's never wrong to be unsatisfied by the current research.

argumzio

On Jun 1, 2:58 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You all know if you search your feelings (as Darth would have put it, I'll
> do a little bit of nearding myself) that it's just a matter of time before
> we have definite proof that n-backing improves the ability to solve "more
> complex" problems they way you want it. Personally I stick to the biology of
> thinking and my personal experience.
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> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:51 PM, ao <argum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can say, based on the evidence available, that DNB only improves
> > on'es speed in solving matrix-style Gf-slanted problems and _not_
> > one's ability to solve problems that one had initially found more
> > difficult because one couldn't actually *figure out* the pattern.
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> > argumzio
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> > On Jun 1, 2:43 pm, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Am I defending a flawed study? This study which I believe I called the
> > > 20-min version RAPM is proof of what Moody is claiming is wrong. Probably
> > > paid by the brain training Illuminati of course. I think it's funny that
> > you
> > > have these "nerd neurotic" almost aspberger-like raged resistance as soon
> > as
> > > I hit your sensitive spot, the fact that you censorship results that do
> > not
> > > match your rather narrow "nerd neurotic keyhole".
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> > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Gwern Branwen <gwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Pontus Granström <lepon...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Gwern, I am talking about the research I have posted here that you
> > very
> > > > > nicely avoid to deal with. The research done on speed RAPM, the
> > research
> > > > > done on "reasoning speed" and so on. Besides, even if half dropped
> > out,
> > > > > those who didn't improved more than chance can give them credit for.
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> > > > You're seriously trying to defend such a flawed study. I can barely
> > > > believe it. This, among other things, is why I don't pay much
> > > > attention to you. (There's a lot of worthless discussion on this ML,
> > > > and I use the mute button liberally.)
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> > > > Yes, you've posted a bunch of research of questionable relevance, all
> > > > of which that I bothered to read was about correlations - correlations
> > > > existing *before* any intervention like dual n-back. Which is exactly
> > > > what I've never contested, and adds nothing to the question of whether
> > > > dual n-back increases IQ or just speed on BOMAT/RAPM, and your belief
> > > > that they prove it is sheer question-begging. I have said all this
> > > > before.
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> > > > --
> > > > gwern
> > > >http://www.gwern.net
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