hard to say.
Jonathan assumes it is just cya.............
he didnt put it in writing that THIS stuff from orchid we are
consuming is safe.......he just referred us to an link.............
without expounding otherwise.............
i would have to say at this point that I do not recommend that anybody
consume MgT from orchid.
it would be nice if we could find out where SABRE sciences is getting
their product from so that we could order it direct.
:(
i am thinking that there may be very small contaminants in this mgT--
giving it to rats would be fine, but not to humans...........
perhaps not pharmaceutical grade, in other words............
On May 25, 1:50 pm, Wombattery <anguyen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> whoisbambam,
>
> I got my 1kg from Orchid last Thursday and took a 600mg dose just to
> start with. Did not notice anything.
>
> I wrote to Jessie the same day inquiring about the proper usage of
> product and if he had any recommendations. That was when I told him
> that I had just ingested some, of which he replied that it was not
> safe for human consumption and that it was used for R&D purposes. I
> responded exclaiming that there is a bunch of customers consuming this
> stuff and directed him towards these threads. He thanked me for the
> heads up and I guess thats when everyone here and the longecity thread
> started receiving the warning emails from Orchid.
>
> Again I am just sitting here hoping for some chemist amongst us to
> determine whether its safe or not. Until then I am unsure of touching
> my 1kg of MgT.
>
> On May 20, 1:36 pm, whoisbambam <smath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wombattery,
>
> > did you finally get ahold of Jessie Zhou from Orchid?
>
> > yes, i have been taking it quite awhile now.............
>
> > i noticed nothing on working memory.
>
> > what i have noticed so slightly is less mental fatigue.........it
> > seems i recover faster, say, after doing dnb for instance. i dont know
> > if this is related to mgT or what........
>
> > it does seem i am more mentally alert, kind of being lifted out of a
> > slight fog........like if i took a 25mg benadryl or something (i have
> > no freakin idea why that stuff messes me up for a day--i actually feel
> > numb from the stuff).........and then the effects wore off.........
>
> > mgT seems to do something similar, i think.........
>
> > but i could have some underlaying issue............
>
> > for instance, i recently had tDCS done..........now i love doing dnb4
> > at 2 seconds. 3 seconds seems unbelievably slow...........
>
> > i probly should go down to 1.5 seconds actually.............
>
> > i pretty much stopped dnb unfortunately.
>
> > being stuck with 90-100% has been so unbelievably frustrating that i
> > just dont want to do it anymore.........it really doesnt make sense to
> > me that i can perform so well on that level, yet get no better than
> > pure guessing on dnb5 (so it seems)
>
> > maybe i should try single nback on sound and position or
> > something..................
>
> > On May 16, 12:30 pm, Wombattery <anguyen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > whoisbambam
>
> > > fair enough. Like many things, there's inter-varability responses
> > > between everyone. I truly just wanted to know your opinion.
>
> > > So its been quite a while now that you have been on the MgT regimen.
> > > Do you feel its something you would stick to -benefits/cost? Or to
> > > early to tell...
>
> > > I was also wondering how early in the trial you started noticing
> > > effects?
>
> > > On May 15, 1:35 pm, whoisbambam <smath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > who knows.
>
> > > > do what you must.........
>
> > > > i am merely reporting back to you a logical POV based on the existing
> > > > research.............
>
> > > > it wouldnt make much sense that 500mg of MgT would make that much of a
> > > > cognitive difference........
>
> > > > i am not going to bother reading..............
>
> > > > On May 14, 3:59 pm, Wombattery <anguyen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > whoisbambam,
>
> > > > > So what do you make of angus' and Lufega's report on their immediate
> > > > > perceived improved effects on short and long term memory, who take
> > > > > 600mg and 500mg respectively?
>
> > > > > Lufega report on the 500mg dose can be seen here:http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/45717-magnesium-l-threonate/
>
> > > > > On May 11, 7:48 pm, whoisbambam <smath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Wombattery,
>
> > > > > > the stuff from sabre sciences is 200 mg per teaspoon.
>
> > > > > > that is like spitting in the ocean.
>
> > > > > > according to the RAT study, i did a human conversion, and you need to
> > > > > > take about 6 grams a day for 21days in order to get 7% higher
> > > > > > magnesium gradient into the CSF of the brain--then it can act as a
> > > > > > message modifier, allowing 'memories' to form easier and more
> > > > > > efficiently--it does not affect working memory, but works on a
> > > > > > cellular level, if you will (something with nmda stuff and chemical
> > > > > > messaging at the synaptic level), allowing you to store NEW
> > > > > > information for long term memory better.
>
> > > > > > 200mg a dose from sabre sciences isnt going to cut it.
>
> > > > > > On May 11, 12:37 pm, Wombattery <anguyen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > whoisbambam,
>
> > > > > > > Can you please let me know what the differences in effect is between
> > > > > > > the products from Sabre sciences andOrchidfrom China? I am planning
> > > > > > > to order from Sabre as theOrchidis taking too long in responding to
> > > > > > > my quote request. However, if there are significant effects
> > > > > > > differences between the two I will hold out forOrchid. There can you
> > > > > > > please let me know how long it takes for the effects to kick in and at
> > > > > > > what dose?
>
> > > > > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > > > > On May 6, 7:54 pm, whoisbambam <smath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > thanks for the explanation.
>
> > > > > > > > On May 6, 3:58 pm, Jonathan Toomim <jtoo...@jtoomim.org> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Based on what I know of how MgT works, and how the various types of
> > > > > > > > > human memory work, I would not expect MgT to do much or anything for
> > > > > > > > > working memory, but to do a lot for long-term memory formation.
>
> > > > > > > > > Working memory depends largely or primarily on maintained electrical
> > > > > > > > > patterns within neurons, like what you'd get if you had a bunch of
> > > > > > > > > neurons connected to each other in a loop--once excited, the network
> > > > > > > > > tends to maintain its activity by itself until it gets shut down by an
> > > > > > > > > external source. This would be mediated through the AMPA and kainate
> > > > > > > > > receptors for glutamate. However, long-term memory formation requires
> > > > > > > > > the NMDA receptors, which do coincidence detection and influence
> > > > > > > > > intracellular calcium levels, which in turn causes the neuron to
> > > > > > > > > change which proteins it produces.
>
> > > > > > > > > I've also been taking MgT, but it's still too early for me to consider
> > > > > > > > > my observations worth reporting.
>
> > > > > > > > > Jonathan
>
> > > > > > > > > On May 4, 2011, at 7:39 AM, whoisbambam wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > I know this: it didnt help my 'working' memory AEB my dnb level of 4.
>
> > > > > > > > > > However, it does seem to make me 'think better'. I seem to 'remember'
> > > > > > > > > > incidentals better--even long past memories. I can also 'debate' with
> > > > > > > > > > my wife better.
>
> > > > > > > > > > :)
>
> > > > > > > > > > It seems i can bring better, more lucid facts/details to the table.
>
> > > > > > > > > > It also seems to give me more 'mental stamina'--i dont get mentally
> > > > > > > > > > fatigued as much as i used to. Esp. if i rest 10minutes and come
> > > > > > > > > > back--
> > > > > > > > > > it is as if i am totally refreshed.
>
> > > > > > > > > > This is the only subtle difference i have noticed.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I am about to study VOLUMES of information--too many hundreds of hours
> > > > > > > > > > of video (medical-related videos--have to get back in shape).
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